Former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt, the virulently anti-gay “minister” dishonorably discharged from the Navy for insubordination, told progressive radio show host David Pakman that people are born straight but become gay as a result of “marketing.” When asked to explain the widespread occurrence of homosexuality in nature, Klingenschmitt replied that it results from demons leaving humans and entering the animals.

Seriously. And this dude used to serve in the United States Navy.

Additionally bizarre claims made by Klingenschmitt include the pernicious lie that opposite-sex marriages are hurt by same-sex marriages due to alleged (and by “alleged,” I mean “if you’re under the influence of a mind-altering substance”) abuse of children in those marriages. He also attacked both President Obama and Pakman himself for supporting marriage equality, saying that the Devil was using them to “promote” homosexuality.

Previously on The David Pakman Show, Klingenschmitt claimed to have performed at least 50 exorcisms on gay and lesbian people and purported to have around a 50% success rate in “curing” homosexuality through said exorcisms.