Chaim Levin sat down with David Pakman recently to discuss his upbringing in an Orthodox Jewish home, including being molested by an adult relative, his subsequent experiences in reparative therapy with JONAH, and the further abuse he endured there. He describes experiences at Journey Into Manhood weekends, where gays were treated exactly the same as pedophiles, and were indeed mixed into the same therapy sessions with young gay men being brainwashed into believing that they must change their sexuality. He further describes reparative therapy sessions, reported here before, where his counselor had him remove his clothing and handle his genitals in front of a mirror.